Le Mans: No Wings and No Wandering

Georg Naujoks · Post by **Georg Naujoks** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:23 pm

Hi All,

just tried my first 2 laps without a front wing, i.e. removing the front
wing while driving into the pit wall at LeMans. Well, what should I say,
equaled my Q time from yesterday on my 1st flying lap and bettered my Q time
by almost a second on my 2nd flying lap, reaching 325 kph (317 with intact
front wing) !!!

But what most surprised me was the fact that the wandering was gone, there
was no wandering at all. I had full control over the car for the first time
after updating to GP79v2 ?!?!

Now is there something wrong with my equipment or with v2 ?

Petra, maybe you can try it too. Would be interesting if you experience the
same.

Georg

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Georg Naujoks · Post by **Georg Naujoks** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:24 pm

FWIW there was no front wing at all remaining and the damage indicator was
red and yellow at the front

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Subject: [lgnds_league] Le Mans: No Wings and No Wandering

Hi All,

just tried my first 2 laps without a front wing, i.e. removing the front
wing while driving into the pit wall at LeMans. Well, what should I say,
equaled my Q time from yesterday on my 1st flying lap and bettered my Q time
by almost a second on my 2nd flying lap, reaching 325 kph (317 with intact
front wing) !!!

But what most surprised me was the fact that the wandering was gone, there
was no wandering at all. I had full control over the car for the first time
after updating to GP79v2 ?!?!

Now is there something wrong with my equipment or with v2 ?

Petra, maybe you can try it too. Would be interesting if you experience the
same.

Georg

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Petra Kienast · Post by **Petra Kienast** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:32 pm

At 22:23 10.03.2008, you wrote:

Hi All,

Now is there something wrong with my equipment or with v2 ?

Petra, maybe you can try it too. Would be interesting if you experience the
same.

Georg

erm Georg,

are you sure about my car?
here a screen of my current car #2 at Kyalami:
http://www.petra-kienast.de/forum/2008_ ... k-skin.jpg

do you notice something?

325 km/h was my exact top speed in qualifying btw

but thanks of thinking of my problems

Petra

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Georg Naujoks · Post by **Georg Naujoks** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:40 pm

okay, maybe there is an imaginary front wing ? try to drive into the pit
wall or for example try the tyrrell with no front wing. does it feel better
for you ?

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To: lgnds_league@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lgnds_league] Le Mans: No Wings and No Wandering

At 22:23 10.03.2008, you wrote:

Hi All,

Now is there something wrong with my equipment or with v2 ?

Petra, maybe you can try it too. Would be interesting if you experience the
same.

Georg

erm Georg,

are you sure about my car?
here a screen of my current car #2 at Kyalami:
http://www.petra-kienast.de/forum/2008_ ... k-skin.jpg

do you notice something?

325 km/h was my exact top speed in qualifying btw

but thanks of thinking of my problems

Petra

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Leo Landman · Post by **Leo Landman** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:47 pm

Drive your car nose first into a wall in the pit area, at 40 kph. With a bit
of luck only your front wing will come off. If not, try again. Your top
speed might now be as high 335 kph.

Bye,
Leo

Op 10-03-2008 22:31 schreef Petra Kienast:

At 22:23 10.03.2008, you wrote:

Hi All,

Now is there something wrong with my equipment or with v2 ?

Petra, maybe you can try it too. Would be interesting if you experience the
same.

Georg
erm Georg,

are you sure about my car?
here a screen of my current car #2 at Kyalami:
http://www.petra-kienast.de/forum/2008_ ... k-skin.jpg

do you notice something?
325 km/h was my exact top speed in qualifying btw

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Damian A. Baldi · Post by **Damian A. Baldi** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:59 pm

Lotus 80 was an entire ground effect car, it doesn't need a front wing, as
the BT-48 or arrows A2. I removed the front wheel crashing into the pit wall
at every qualy try last night, because Lotus 79 was daed slow at the
straight. Anyway I used the front wing for the race.

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Subject: Re: [lgnds_league] Le Mans: No Wings and No Wandering

Drive your car nose first into a wall in the pit area, at 40 kph. With a
bit
of luck only your front wing will come off. If not, try again. Your top
speed might now be as high 335 kph.

Bye,
Leo

Op 10-03-2008 22:31 schreef Petra Kienast:

At 22:23 10.03.2008, you wrote:

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Petra Kienast · Post by **Petra Kienast** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:20 pm

At 22:47 10.03.2008, you wrote:

Drive your car nose first into a wall in the pit area, at 40 kph. With a bit
of luck only your front wing will come off. If not, try again. Your top
speed might now be as high 335 kph.

Bye,
Leo

Leo:
NO FRONT WING on the 80Mk1
that was the message with posting an image of my car

you can not get rid of something that doesn`t exist, this car was a
full ground effect car as Damian already described

Petra

Op 10-03-2008 22:31 schreef Petra Kienast:

At 22:23 10.03.2008, you wrote:

experience the

erm Georg,

are you sure about my car?
here a screen of my current car #2 at Kyalami:

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Petra Kienast · Post by **Petra Kienast** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:24 pm

At 22:40 10.03.2008, you wrote:

okay, maybe there is an imaginary front wing ? try to drive into the pit
wall or for example try the tyrrell with no front wing. does it feel better
for you ?

that`s a possibility, but I remember that I tried all cars when the
V2 mod came, the Tyrrell was definitely one of the cars I tried at
Monza and even the Williams was weaving, I tried the Ferrari T4 too
and the most popular ones, also the Ligier.
For Imola I could try different cars again on this occasion I can
learn the track too

OTOH what works at one track (look at the A1Ring and Kyalami) must
not work on other tracks! It`s also depending on how much rear wing I
use. The more and higher the rear wing is set the less weaving I
have, that`s what I found out too. I had no weaving at the A1 Ring
because of maximum rear wing setting: 10 and had less weaving at
Kyalami: rear wing 5 in the race
At Le Mans I had 2

Petra

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Post by **Rik Walker** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:31 pm

Just a thought Georg, but could you try a little test. Raise your front ride
height by a centimetre and try that (don't knock your front wing off!). It
might be that you have been running on the bump stops which has made the car
effectively have no suspension at the front. When you knocked the front wing
off there would no longer be any downforce there to compress the suspension at
high speed.

Cheers,
Richard

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Georg Naujoks · Post by **Georg Naujoks** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:57 pm

Hi Rik,

tried it but that doesn't make any noticable difference. FWIW I have the
Motec data from a typical lap, if you want to have a look I can send it to
you.

Georg

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Just a thought Georg, but could you try a little test. Raise your front ride
height by a centimetre and try that (don't knock your front wing off!). It
might be that you have been running on the bump stops which has made the car
effectively have no suspension at the front. When you knocked the front wing
off there would no longer be any downforce there to compress the suspension
at
high speed.

Cheers,
Richard

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Post by **Rik Walker** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:11 pm

tried it but that doesn't make any noticable difference. FWIW I have the
Motec data from a typical lap, if you want to have a look I can send it to
you.

Ah well, worth a try.

I don't really understand the suspension readings in the motec data and how
they relate to what the suspension is actually doing

Cheers,
Richard

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Craig & Sharon Milne · Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:14 pm

that makes 2 of us

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tried it but that doesn't make any noticable difference. FWIW I have the
Motec data from a typical lap, if you want to have a look I can send it to
you.

Ah well, worth a try.

I don't really understand the suspension readings in the motec data and how
they relate to what the suspension is actually doing

Cheers,
Richard

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